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The last thing I have to say. - Tornadic - 29-01-2010
This is going to be a long post, and probably the last I have to say on the subject. (thank GOD, amiright?)
(29-01-2010, 03:25 AM)Khem1kal Wrote: In an ideal world, this solution would make absolute sense, unfortunately it's not and I have to agree that the chances of WB agreeing to such a proposal are slim to none and furthermore, no matter how cautious the pitch was, someone may get a sniff of something and it would be game-over.This, This is all I was ever looking to hear. It makes sense.
But to fuel the paranoia and skepticism, what makes you think 2 days after this goes live you won't be hearing from WB? That the story "Fans love game so much, they re code the game from scratch" Won't get picked up by gaming media?
But the most obvious point to all this is: They don't give a shit. Not now, anyway. If they ever figure out about MxOEmu (increasingly likely the closer this comes to completion) it goes 1 of 2 ways.
1) They shut you down. (this is not me saying I'm going to rat you guys out, I've never said I will, and I don't intend to)
2) They realize that a market still exists for this game and start shopping the rights around. Some company who's just interested in cashing checks, not making this game all it can be buys (or rents
) those rights, like, say, SOE, then they shut you down. And we're back to square 1Also, for all you worried, MxOEmu is on wiki. One wiki search by anyone that wants to shut something like this down, and it's all over.
Now, as for this:
(29-01-2010, 09:28 AM)Neo VII Wrote: My question for you Tornadic is, why now?Why, now? Well I just didn't think about it back then. Not that any of you are going to care, but here's my entire motivation.
Where were you with this idea six months ago, when it was slightly more feasible and would sound marginally less ridiculous?
You wait until Morpheus, Raj, and Co. waste six months developing something, that should be just thrown away?
Where's your logic there?
Not to mention, from your first post on this thread, through your last, your "plan" and "prices" keep changing.
...and for the record, any hostility in my tone, or anyone else, comes from people like you, that show up randomly, convinced that you have some kind of magic plan to persuade CEOs, basically millionaire paper pushers, to give a shit about something we love, but they could care less about. Not to mention, you have no considerable sum of money to throw at the project yourself. If you where some million playboy tech nerd, that wanted to throw some of his trust fund money at the idea and be our savior, I'd welcome you with open arms, but your not. I agree with the others. This post should be closed.
I think it's a bad idea.
...
I don't think you really care at all about MxO and I don't believe a word you say.
I plan to open a business someday, It's basically a game store. I'm going to fix video game retail (anyone who's been to/works at a game stop knows how fucked up the current system is). In a perfect world I'd generate enough profit to finance MxO's Revival. As such even on a fast tracked (best possible scenario) plan, turning a profit is still a bout 1 year away, and financing a MMO is about 3 years out.
I love MxO, It's the best designed MMO ever made five years ago this game had fixed problems that still plague most mmo's (horrible grind, samey missions, character individuality). I KNOW this game can be bigger than SOE thought it was. 6 months after this game closed and there's STILL a community for it. Tabula Rasa on the other hand, closed feb '09 and their emulator forums only have 19 registered members.
Where was I six months ago? I was sad that the game was dying. I assumed (like most of you probably did), that there just wasn't a community for this I (we) were all very, very, wrong. It's a general consensus that this game died mostly due to it not being backed by SOE in any capacity, ever, really. If I remember correctly, the reason Monolith sold out to SOE is because they couldn't keep up, there's a market for this, I just wasn't thinking about it before.
I didn't intentionally wait for six months to say this. I'm not twirling my handlebar mustache going "Nyah Ha Ha, I'll let those fools work on a project for half a year then BAM! make them stop, I'm so evil, I'm going to go tie a damsel to some train tracks" Although the fact that you would say that they would have to throw away their work tells me that you think that this has a glimmer of hope (I'm probably wrong on this, But I'd like not to be).
The "plan" was and still is to rent the rights to operate MxO for 30% gross revenue the game generates. The "prices" I have always been working with is a $10 monthly sub fee (30% to WB leave us with $7 net per sub).
As far as not being able to convince the millionaires, well the whole plan hinges on it. Their whole job is to make money. I'm basically telling them "let me write you checks please" Why, why would they object to that? I'm not going to rent the rights to The Matrix just the rights to operate The Matrix Online. Those are two very different things.
As far as you saying that you don't believe what I say, and if I was a millionaire you'd listen. I doubt it. If I showed up and said "Hi I have millions if dollars I want to spend to Make MxO operational again, as what's left of the MxO community, how do you feel about this?" I guarantee you'd (not you specifically but this community as a whole) call me a liar, ask me to prove it, and tell me to go fuck myself.
Actually "I don't think you really care about MxO And I don't believe you." quite sums up what I think you'd say to a millionaire who showed up on these forums.
In summary,
I had an idea, I thought (and still believe) there is a market for this game, I KNOW it's sustainable and profitable if you just got the word out. I thought "who better to be at the helm of reviving this neglected game than fans who know how to code" It certainly works for blizzard (don't try to tell me WoW is better is some other way than MxO, It's not. It's just run by people who love Warcraft.) . I'm sorry I'm business minded, and think in numbers. I have to be if ever plan on starting my own business someday.
The sentiment "we shouldn't have to pay/who would want to pay" for the MxOE project makes sense. However, that was never my proposal. My proposal was to Revive MxO (the game we used to play), pay the MxOE devs to work on it full time (and fix what SOE broke), and some members of the MxO community to write a new story. I didn't think I'd get so much hate over this.
I guess I thought that I'd hear something like "it's possible, but the execs would never go for it" Which I did, although I did learn one very game changing fact.
I don't have to talk to SOE, I have to talk to WB.
And that changes everything.
Sorry, for wasting your time. I still think my idea can work.
Eli (I'm a dude btw)
(note to admins: If you want to move this to a post in I haz and idea or close this thread that's fine. I'd like it not to be deleted, it's just the last thing I have to say about this.)
RE: The last thing I have to say. - rajkosto - 29-01-2010
tl;dr (although i lold at the villain thing)
you cant shut down a project thats been coded from scratch, because you made it, from your brain, from your hands, they cant take it away since you didn't steal anything from them
MXO will never be revived in its current form, the matrix franchise is basically dead atm, aside from the die hard fans that troll this forum and some others, IF and WHEN they decide to reboot it, they will pay no attention to the current (poor quality) games, either singleplayer ones from Shiny (way to cut corners on development), or mxo, probably just make new ones
RE: The last thing I have to say. - Valaro - 29-01-2010
Actually as much as I hate to admit MxO is dead probably forever Rajko is right here Eli.
If they ever reboot the series they'll make MxO2 or something similar. I like you personally love The Matrix. And think that if they made a TV series or released new updated versions of the comics it would still be as strong as when they released the original films. However WB don't agree. They think its dead and they've stamped out the last remaining embers of the series by closing the MMO that never was.
Thank you for your idea, if times were a little different then yes, it could be feasible, however a few members of this community and the MxO community in general have tried to offer SOE (when the rights were still current) and WBIE and they recovered 1 response from SOE and no response from WBIE.
SOE Response: Hi currently the rights to The Matrix Online are not for sale. Nor are the servers/ source code. However we thank you for you interest in this IP.
Its dead man. Lets just get on with the EMU huh?
RE: The last thing I have to say. - Twaggy - 29-01-2010
The last thing I have to say....
I knew you were a dude... only kidding well ok i did but you get me.
Anyway it was a good idea, but not all good ideas can be made reality. If that was the case my company would also be up and running and destroying stores like PC world (ewwww) but well... it ain't. I'm afraid as it has been mentioned time and again, it just will not work. WB would not even rent it, cause they would know the outcome.
RE: The last thing I have to say. - QuiDormit - 29-01-2010
(29-01-2010, 04:17 PM)rajkosto Wrote: tl;dr (although i lold at the villain thing)
you cant shut down a project thats been coded from scratch, because you made it, from your brain, from your hands, they cant take it away since you didn't steal anything from them
MXO will never be revived in its current form, the matrix franchise is basically dead atm, aside from the die hard fans that troll this forum and some others, IF and WHEN they decide to reboot it, they will pay no attention to the current (poor quality) games, either singleplayer ones from Shiny (way to cut corners on development), or mxo, probably just make new ones
Right.
But even before that can happen, the Wachowski brothers have to approve someone to go ahead and handle their franchise, because I'm pretty sure they've openly stated that they have no intention of continuing the Matrix any time soon.
Although I'm not a fan of participating in threads that are extensions of closed threads, I just wanted to take the opportunity to apologize. I realize that not everyone is on the same page and that sometimes, ideas like this are great jumping off points. I also realize that not everyone has practical business experience from being in the corporate world, but I jumped onto the anger wagon with everyone else.
My main concern with this whole thing is that, much like someone said at some time, MxO has been thrown into a box and wheeled into a warehouse like the Ark of the Covenant in Indiana Jones...
SOE still retains whatever physical form of the game they decided to keep, but I am certain that they have retained absolutely no rights. WBIE holds the rights to the game itself. The thing is, when you no longer have an active product, you no longer have employees who are in charge of that product.
There is no contact at WBIE in regard to MxO specifically any more. The only way I could see this working at all would be to hire a lawyer and have him/her contact WBIE's legal team. From there, IF (and it's a monumental "if") you're not shot down immediately, then the lawyer representing us, (us being MxOE for the sake of this discussion) would present the terms and requests we would try to make. Then, if THAT wasn't immediately shot down, their legal team would work with whomever at WBIE would even be the remotest connection to MxO (which would be considered by the corporation to be a huge waste of time to discuss something on an old product that they have decided to let go) to approve/deny the request.
THEN, even if that request was approved, WBIE's legal team would have to contact SOE's legal team to get whatever incarnation of the game still exists...
You see why this just sounds like an immediate "oh HELL no?"
Like I said, I'm sorry for jumping at you, but the time and energy and money involved in this is astronomical before a sub fee was even instituted. And still, their legal team would have to say something other than "no" from the get-go.
I'm done on this topic for now, and Val, should this anger you to no end that I've continued a discussion on a closed topic, I'll have no hard feelings if you nuke my comments.
RE: The last thing I have to say. - Rxu - 29-01-2010
Greed and ignorance are the worlds greatest downfalls and IMO they both played a major role in the demise of MXO.
Tornadic, you have good intentions but lets see were this project takes us. SWG has gotten far albeit with some undisclosed DEV help but for all we know tomorrow we could have an insider working for us as well.
RE: The last thing I have to say. - Yamakuzy - 29-01-2010
Okay, i know i may have come accross very aggressively last night in the thread but i wan't to apologise for that. I didnt mean to seem so rude over it, i was only trying to relay my opinion.
My apologies
RE: The last thing I have to say. - Valaro - 29-01-2010
Thank you Yamakuzy, I just want to stop the community from falling apart
RE: The last thing I have to say. - Twaggy - 29-01-2010
(29-01-2010, 05:38 PM)Valaro Wrote: Thank you Yamakuzy, I just want to stop the community from falling apart
You're like the gooey, sticky stuff that bounds us!
RE: The last thing I have to say. - Vesuveus - 29-01-2010
(29-01-2010, 05:39 PM)Twaggy Wrote:(29-01-2010, 05:38 PM)Valaro Wrote: Thank you Yamakuzy, I just want to stop the community from falling apart
You're like the gooey, sticky stuff that bounds us!
If community morale was ranked on a scale of 1-5, I'd say we're at a 5 right now. For the last year of the live MxO, I'd say morale was at about a 1.
As the community get bigger, it will naturally decrease and will be difficult to maintain a 5.