Matrix Discussion

[Metalogic]

(08-11-2010, 09:45 AM)HD_Morpheus Wrote: of course.

but i propose another question... why not use geothermal energy, which is "infinite", free of cost and diggable by machines (remember the diggers to attack Zion).

they want the people as multi cores to process, not energy. you know.. normal 10% usage of brain and so.. leaves up to 90% unused.

and who still thinks that after ~100 years since 1999 machines didnt evolve in their methods of using human brains & new powersources?

Well we don't know exactly what kind of power the machines uses. All we know is what we heard from Morpheus in The Matrix and what The Merovingian uncovered in MxO. What we know is that the machines uses Nuclear fusion for power.

Also it has been far longer than 100 years, remember The Matrix is set somewhere in the late 20th to early 21st century, before the invention of AI. This is what I hated about MxO, was the stupid "It's always 1999" crap. If you watch The Matrix you'll notice that the date when Cypher made that call to Trinity, the year was 1998. The movies never gave a specific year, or date, and neither should've MxO. It was one of those non-questions that didn't need an answer.

(08-11-2010, 02:51 PM)QuiDormit Wrote: I'm going to rehash something I've said many times before, but try to look at it in a different light.

To answer the question, we have to have more information. For starters, why are the Machines using humans for power? It's ridiculous to think that humans were the best option.

Typically, I've said that the Machines have enslaved humans in order to protect humans, but now I think it goes beyond that. I think that they're also using the humans brains. Not just for processing power, but because humans can "think outside of the box" more than machines.

That makes it easy. If all of the humans were dead, the Machines could easily move on to another power source. However, they would miss their unpredictable human minds.

I'd agree and I think in MxO The Merovingian found out that the humans were a very inefficient source of energy, they hardly generated enough BTUs to power the machines society. So like you said, the question then becomes, what did they use the humans for?

Through the entire series, from Matrix to Revolutions, the theme has always been about "hope". The Architect said it is one of our greatest strength and greatest weakness. He couldn't figure out what hope was all about, there wasn't a mathematical value for "hope". If The Matrix is indeed made up of equations that need to be balanced, then "Hope" is one big friggin X.

I remember back in MxO, during The Oligarch storyline the machines were very primitive, and actually relied heavily on The Oligarchs to advance themselves. The machines need humans basically because we're abstract thinkers. Machines are binary thinker, and they always will be. In The Matrix, they can study us, they can observe us and try to figure out a way to think like we do.

I think the line about "Humans are power" was put in there by The machines every time they rebuild Zion, as a way to facilitate the cycle of The One. It seems that every "One" before Neo realize the symbiotic relationships between humans and machines, and thus decided to return to the source. We need them, they need us.